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#1 OFFLINE   DakotaCamper

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Posted 26 March 2008 - 08:27 PM

We're back from welcoming our son, Ryan, home from Iraq. To those who sponsored knives, the guys send a big hearty THANK YOU!

During the trip, I fell down our steps not once, but twice. Once when the camper was on the truck and once while off. Let me tell you it's a long fall when the camper is on. I suffered some nasty bruises and a cut or two but luckily no broken bones. Best of all, I think only Karl saw me fall. It seriously got me to thinking that I need to find something else other than scissor steps to use. They just aren't deep enough for this klutz!

I really like the SR steps, but we don't have a basement I could adapt for use. We also don't have a bumper on the camper. I've thought about the platforms/porches that some have built and installed but I want to be able to easily get in and out of the camper while on the road. We do have an overhang off the back of the truck that I may be able to mount something underneath like a set of pull-out steps, but I'm not sure about this either. Anyone have any suggestions?

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Posted 26 March 2008 - 10:09 PM

We're back from welcoming our son, Ryan, home from Iraq. To those who sponsored knives, the guys send a big hearty THANK YOU!

During the trip, I fell down our steps not once, but twice. Once when the camper was on the truck and once while off. Let me tell you it's a long fall when the camper is on. I suffered some nasty bruises and a cut or two but luckily no broken bones. Best of all, I think only Karl saw me fall. It seriously got me to thinking that I need to find something else other than scissor steps to use. They just aren't deep enough for this klutz!

I really like the SR steps, but we don't have a basement I could adapt for use. We also don't have a bumper on the camper. I've thought about the platforms/porches that some have built and installed but I want to be able to easily get in and out of the camper while on the road. We do have an overhang off the back of the truck that I may be able to mount something underneath like a set of pull-out steps, but I'm not sure about this either. Anyone have any suggestions?


This is not an option for everyone, but when I had this problem a few years back I traded for a camper that had an adequate and safe entry and exit system. The exiting seems to be much more critical than the entry. I saw a lady fall last summer while exiting here camper on a set of those scissor steps and they had to take her to the hospital for repairs. I simply will not own such dangerous steps, seems I have plenty of other opportunity's for bruises or worst case broken bones, without those scissor stairs to contend with. I know that isn't much help but it is an option that worked for me. :lightbulb: YMMV , Jim

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Posted 27 March 2008 - 04:54 AM

When we had our 99 Citation we had the scissor steps my wife almost broke her back ,there was some ice on them in the morning and we didn,t realize it till it was to late.

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Posted 27 March 2008 - 06:08 AM

Bubba has the electric steps on his. They are like the ones on trailers and motor homes. Somebody on here put them on for him you might want to get a hold of him. By the way have not head from Bubba for a while.
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Posted 27 March 2008 - 06:09 AM

I've been looking for an alternative myself. I'm so afraid of my wife falling down those steps with her limited eye sight. Bigfoot makes a platform off the bumper with some pull out flip down steps like I have on my 5vr. They want $2000.00 to retrofit & needs to be done at the factory. I also thought of building a fold up porch with some flip over steps. I've looked at what others have done for porches on rv net.

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Posted 27 March 2008 - 07:27 AM

I have mentioned this probably a dozen times. Those Snowriver steps would work great on anything. You could make some brakets to hang 'em on the rear ladder for storage and some brackets to hang 'em off the bottom of the entry. Oh, Dont forget to put on one of those big generous grab handles while you are at it. Seems like a simple solution to me. Would even be nice on the Snowriver and you could put a long slide out box in the storage area. A ton of stuff would fit in there.

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Posted 27 March 2008 - 07:48 AM

Sally,

I fell off the steps of my previous camper mainly because I’m old and dottery. The first step down was too far for my bum knees. My new Snowriver has great steps, but I felt the need for more assistance. I added a one inch aluminum tube extension so that I have something to hold all the way down while I have a beer in my right hand. The tube is covered with a foam wrap that is sold in bicycle shops.
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Posted 27 March 2008 - 09:35 AM

Sally,

I fell off the steps of my previous camper mainly because I'm old and dottery. The first step down was too far for my bum knees. My new Snowriver has great steps, but I felt the need for more assistance. I added a one inch aluminum tube extension so that I have something to hold all the way down while I have a beer in my right hand. The tube is covered with a foam wrap that is sold in bicycle shops.
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Ron, thats a cool idea, why didn't I think of that. Jim

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Posted 27 March 2008 - 01:52 PM

Search "steps" on the other forum and you get links to some nice 2 and 3 step systems that fit into your hitch. Has anybody here tried any of those? I kind of assumed I would order that kind when I get my N* if I end up putting it on a long box.
I have been a tent camper since my Boy Scout days long, long, ago. Now I need to get up off of the cold ground to get a good nights rest, a truck camper seems to be the best choice. I am here to learn as much as I can.

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Posted 27 March 2008 - 04:18 PM

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I will not be loading camper for another week or two so if you would like to see if there is a way to make them work come on over and pick them up.
Sure Bob would sell you a set though price may include a 08 Snowriver :lightbulb:

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Posted 27 March 2008 - 06:03 PM

Search "steps" on the other forum and you get links to some nice 2 and 3 step systems that fit into your hitch. Has anybody here tried any of those? I kind of assumed I would order that kind when I get my N* if I end up putting it on a long box.



Nice idea I'm sure, but one of the main reasons we own a TC is so we can tow the boat. Having the hitch tied up with steps wouldn't go over so well with the DH.

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Posted 27 March 2008 - 06:31 PM

I am wondering what if anything is different from my steps vs everyone elses. I have the detachable 4 step stairs which came with the camper. When attached and extended they are very stable. We have no problem using them. It does help that Rex threw in a foldable rail/handle. My wife and I may be a little younger than some here which may make a difference.

Are you folks talking about the same kind of steps or some other type?

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Posted 27 March 2008 - 06:45 PM

Jim, what steps did you get with a Northstar?

On our Laredo, we used a little step ladder (and I did some good gymnastics off it) until this year. After looking all winter at various porches, homemade steps and trying to design a copy of the SnowRiver ones, we bought a set of HighJacker 4 steps made in Victoria. They attach like the scissors steps, but have a solid step with traction strips on them. So far (in the driveway and 2 nights in Yellowstone with mud all over, so good. It seems like there is a company in Oregon that makes some collapsible ones that are sturdier also.

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Posted 27 March 2008 - 07:54 PM

Jim, what steps did you get with a Northstar?

On our Laredo, we used a little step ladder (and I did some good gymnastics off it) until this year. After looking all winter at various porches, homemade steps and trying to design a copy of the SnowRiver ones, we bought a set of HighJacker 4 steps made in Victoria. They attach like the scissors steps, but have a solid step with traction strips on them. So far (in the driveway and 2 nights in Yellowstone with mud all over, so good. It seems like there is a company in Oregon that makes some collapsible ones that are sturdier also.

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The co in Oregon is called step up mnufacturing. They have a website. I have been to their shop & they are a little sturdier but still sissor steps. Heres their website. http://step-upproducts.com/

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Posted 27 March 2008 - 08:54 PM

Our steps are by HiJacker. They've got the traction strip in the middle but it doesn't do much good when you've got a slippery edge. I was in my socks when I hit the edge and my foot went out from under me. The steps are stable...I'm not saying they aren't. My issue is that the step tread isn't deep enough for my comfort level. I've got a fold out grab handle but sometimes both hands are full and I'm not able to use it.

Our camper came with a 3-step Step Up Mfg set of steps that worked fine for the guy who carried it on 2WD truck but didn't work with our taller bed height. I built a wooden box to give us another step until I could get a taller set of steps since the box was a hassle to haul around. I bought the 5 step HiJacker unit to replace the Step Up set. In order to keep the treads level, I can't fully extend them and you lose tread depth. I've pulled a step out to see what it would do in a 4-step configuration, but that was too short most of the time when the camper is on the truck and it caused the treads to slant downward. We seem to be in between optimal heights. The 5-step config reminds me of climbing down into sailboats with more of a ladder-type configuration then normal stairs. I'd just feel more comfortable with a step that is closer to the riser height and tread depth that is used in homes.

Tate - I may come and borrow your steps this weekend to see what I can come up with as far as attachment points. I need something that will work when the camper is on and off the truck. Even when the camper is off the truck and all the way down on the jacks, I still need one step in between the door threshold level and the ground.

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Posted 27 March 2008 - 09:16 PM

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I've got a one step weighting for you. Will be home all weekend working in back yard so you may need to yell back there.

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Posted 28 March 2008 - 09:31 AM

The co in Oregon is called step up mnufacturing. They have a website. I have been to their shop & they are a little sturdier but still sissor steps. Heres their website. http://step-upproducts.com/


I am at work and can't check at the moment but these sure look like the ones I have. They did not come with traction strips on the steps. I added those later.

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Posted 28 March 2008 - 09:40 AM

Here's what I use. Notice the can. Spray on anti slip. First thing I did when I got it.

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Posted 28 March 2008 - 09:53 AM

Here's what I use. Notice the can. Spray on anti slip. First thing I did when I got it.

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I bought one just like that off eBay! It almost works great. The last step into the camper is a little to high for my wife to comfortably use as the Arrow interior floor is about 6 inches above the level of the bed. I think I will use it while travelling as I can also install the scissor steps with the hitch mount step in place if desired.

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Posted 28 March 2008 - 11:33 PM

Hi Sally

Sorry about your fall.
If you have the square tube happy jacks, and if they hang down enough like mine.
You could clamp on 2 lengths of 2" square tubing across the back with 2"leaf spring ubolts.
Then get a set of manual or electric folding motorhome steps.
Attach the upper portion of the steps to a piece of receiver tube which will side on the upper 2" tube.
The lower 2" tube will stabilize the steps when you put weight on it.
Don't forget to add a spacer where the step touches the bottom tube.
With the sideways sliding step you can use it with or without a trailer and it will only take seconds to deploy or retract the steps.
The steps that Bubba uses folds very flat with lots of clearance.

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