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#41 OFFLINE   PigPen

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Posted 21 May 2007 - 09:34 PM

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One idea I have batted around in my mind is for NATCOA to provide consumer consultants to companies (for free). These would consist of NATCOA members who would volunteer to assess new ideas or existing one's (non-disclosure agreements signed of course). This would help companies assess consumer reaction to ideas beforehand. Would that interest you? As we accumulate members in areas close by various manufacturers this is more feasible.

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Posted 22 May 2007 - 05:03 AM

Beau,

One idea I have batted around in my mind is for NATCOA to provide consumer consultants to companies (for free). These would consist of NATCOA members who would volunteer to assess new ideas or existing one's (non-disclosure agreements signed of course). This would help companies assess consumer reaction to ideas beforehand. Would that interest you? As we accumulate members in areas close by various manufacturers this is more feasible.


Great idea, that would be fun to do.
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Posted 22 May 2007 - 05:14 AM

Beau,
I like you already and I don't even know you... :)
I think it's great that you are asking for the buyers opinions and maybe using some of the ideas.
Too bad more manufactures weren't involved with this forum.
I can't complain though as I have the best guy around for assistance (Snowbird Bob).


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Posted 22 May 2007 - 07:48 AM

I'm agreeing with the upholstery comments. If I wanted to look like I was in a cheap living room, I wouldn't be out camping. Solids, denims, wildlife scenes, even camoflauge belong in campers instead of some of the faddish or light colored (see all dirt) fabric.

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I totally understand this statement. But, It does present me with a bit of a dilemma. Maybe you have a suggestion? How do I build a camper with a look that fits the price. In other words if my unit has the more plain interior and my competition has the more elegant look at the same price... History shows that if I we give the choice between practical and "sexy" that most people will pick the sexy looking unit when purchasing.
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Posted 22 May 2007 - 07:55 AM

Beau,

One idea I have batted around in my mind is for NATCOA to provide consumer consultants to companies (for free). These would consist of NATCOA members who would volunteer to assess new ideas or existing one's (non-disclosure agreements signed of course). This would help companies assess consumer reaction to ideas beforehand. Would that interest you? As we accumulate members in areas close by various manufacturers this is more feasible.


WOW, how do I say yes loud enough. This is a absolutly fabulous idea. I could go on and on about why but, why don't we get right to the how? How do we set this up and what can I do to help?
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Posted 22 May 2007 - 08:01 AM

WOW, how do I say yes loud enough. This is a absolutly fabulous idea. I could go on and on about why but, why don't we get right to the how? How do we set this up and what can I do to help?
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I think it is a great idea too. I'd love to be involved, though in Sacramento I'm probably too far away to be of much help to MFGs.
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Posted 22 May 2007 - 08:05 AM

Beau,
I like you already and I don't even know you... :)
I think it's great that you are asking for the buyers opinions and maybe using some of the ideas.
Too bad more manufactures weren't involved with this forum.
I can't complain though as I have the best guy around for assistance (Snowbird Bob).


Thank you, and thank all of you for taking the time to respond. I agree that it could only be a good thing if more manufactures participated. It just goes to show that some of us care about truck campers and some care only about there bottom lines. I just met Bob for the first time a few month ago at the Denver RV show and I was instantly impressed. He went out of his way to give me some honest advise and opinions when asked.
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Posted 22 May 2007 - 08:41 AM

Another suggestion comes to mind. Instead of using the cheap analog furnace thermostats, you could maybe offer an option of a digital remote controlled one.

I recently upgraded the one in my rv to a Hunter digital with remote. Price was around $25 or so. it sure is nice not to have to get out of bed in the middle of the nite to change temperatures. I guess maybe an alternative would be a 2nd thermostat in the bedroom area.
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Posted 22 May 2007 - 08:47 AM

Freebie number 1......I just looked at your online website Beau and it's not a bad site. Good information on floorplans and specs on your units. BUT YOU GOT NO PICTURES........When we first started looking last October for a new camper, I went online to check out the manufactuerers. The makes that caught my eye right off were the sites that had good CLEAR color PICTURES of BOTH the inside and outsides of their campers. When people are just starting to think about buying a camper they are not as concerned at first about how much fresh water the tank holds, size of propane tanks and the like. The first thing that strikes them is the PICTURES. It's a learning curve when you first start out and know nothing about campers. You do the research and learn as you go. You ask questions and hope the information you receive is accurate. But if you are sitting at the computer and you go to a manufacturers website and they have GOOD PICTURES of their units and your wife says I want to see THAT ONE, then guess what you are going to drive to that dealer and see THAT ONE. Once you are at that dealership and looking at a Alpenlite Camper and the nice salesman is answering all your OTHER questions and he asks how you came upon Alpenlite. You say, Oh I was surfing the websites and they had really good PICTURES of their units..................FIRST IMPRESSION IS KEY.....................

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You are so right. We have pictures on our website but, they are to hard to find and access. We will be updating the site soon.
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Posted 22 May 2007 - 08:54 AM

Another suggestion comes to mind. Instead of using the cheap analog furnace thermostats, you could maybe offer an option of a digital remote controlled one.

I recently upgraded the one in my rv to a Hunter digital with remote. Price was around $25 or so. it sure is nice not to have to get out of bed in the middle of the nite to change temperatures. I guess maybe an alternative would be a 2nd thermostat in the bedroom area.


Another great idea. Anything that cuts down on hiking up and down out of the overhead is always a good idea.
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Posted 22 May 2007 - 09:00 AM

Being a nuclear family with two kids. I've thought it would be great if you took the floor plan of a 8 1/2 foot model and stretched it out to a 10 1/2 foot model and put two built in kid's bunks in the extra 2' you would have on the floor plan. This would be the first true fully family ready camper. No more setting up beds at the campground. No more putting down the dinette. No more fold down bunks.

I should add, you build the proto-type and I'll gladly test it out for you. :)

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Posted 22 May 2007 - 09:15 AM

Beau, if you are keeping track of requests in order to show priority than throw another vote in there for better faucets and fixtures. Thanks for the LED answer. To be honest i cant believe any of the manufacturers have not already made them standard equipment. And Paul you have the best idea i have ever heard of. I hope you do actually present this to all manufacturers since it will only benefit them.

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Posted 22 May 2007 - 09:40 AM

Being a nuclear family with two kids. I've thought it would be great if you took the floor plan of a 8 1/2 foot model and stretched it out to a 10 1/2 foot model and put two built in kid's bunks in the extra 2' you would have on the floor plan. This would be the first true fully family ready camper. No more setting up beds at the campground. No more putting down the dinette. No more fold down bunks.

I should add, you build the proto-type and I'll gladly test it out for you. :)

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DING DING DING... We haaaavvvvve a winner. Alright, my first floor plan suggestion and its a good one. I am digging the bunk idea. I'm going to go to work on this right away. I have a new floor plan coming that I think I could offer a bunk bed option in. If you have a overhead view of your concept i would love to see it.
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Posted 22 May 2007 - 10:00 AM

Beau, if you are keeping track of requests in order to show priority than throw another vote in there for better faucets and fixtures. Thanks for the LED answer. To be honest i cant believe any of the manufacturers have not already made them standard equipment. And Paul you have the best idea i have ever heard of. I hope you do actually present this to all manufacturers since it will only benefit them.


If the other manufactures are reading all of your good suggestion here, then more power to them. If they are not paying attention to all of you, then shame on them. We here at Alpenlite are very excited about building a camper "by the people, for the people"
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Posted 22 May 2007 - 12:15 PM

If you have a overhead view of your concept i would love to see it.
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My thought is to keep the idea simple. Use a floor plan like the Cimarron 850 and simply build the shell of the camper about 2'-4" longer (of course this would mean that the camper is suited for a longbed truck only).

As shown below, the lower bunk would be between the bed rails so it would work best for younger children. If I bought it today with my 4 year old son in mind, he would probably be able to use the bunk for another 5 to 8 years (assuming the bed would finish out at about 5' to 5'-6" long). The upper bunk would be able to go the full width of the camper so of course it would fit a full length adult. My thinking is that to give as much head room in each bunk as possible, you would build the compartments to be tall to within an inch or two of the cab-over mattress.

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Posted 22 May 2007 - 12:50 PM

Here's a simple one,,,,,,,,,How about a flag pole holder mounted on a top rear corner near the ladder ? And of course an american flag and flagpole.......TD :confused0058:
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Posted 22 May 2007 - 01:10 PM

My thought is to keep the idea simple. Use a floor plan like the Cimarron 850 and simply build the shell of the camper about 2'-4" longer (of course this would mean that the camper is suited for a longbed truck only).

As shown below, the lower bunk would be between the bed rails so it would work best for younger children. If I bought it today with my 4 year old son in mind, he would probably be able to use the bunk for another 5 to 8 years (assuming the bed would finish out at about 5' to 5'-6" long). The upper bunk would be able to go the full width of the camper so of course it would fit a full length adult. My thinking is that to give as much head room in each bunk as possible, you would build the compartments to be tall to within an inch or two of the cab-over mattress.

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Nice job with the picture. I will get to work on this. One question: how does one get past the bunks and into the overhead.
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Posted 22 May 2007 - 01:13 PM

Here's a simple one,,,,,,,,,How about a flag pole holder mounted on a top rear corner near the ladder ? And of course an american flag and flagpole.......TD :confused0058:


I like this. Maybe a couple near the front as well. Would give the camper a "presidential motorcade" look.
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Posted 22 May 2007 - 02:17 PM

,,how does one get past the bunks and into the overhead


Currently, we all have to climb up into the queen cabover beds. This concept would work the same, except that you could build footholds into the bunk faces and you would crawl over the bunk top to the recessed bed. The top would should be firm but padded. The space where a TV cabinet traditionally hovers above the foot of the bed could go full down to the top of that platform and a wardrobe cabinet to the other side wouldn't have the problem of bedding getting into the way. The queen bedding wouldn't slide to the floor at the foot either.

Other options (which would reduce the head-room in the bunks) could be:

1. Make the cab-over section 2 feet shorter and put that part of the bed over the bunks. The cabover would then be shorter and not stick out beyond the windshield. Intuitively it might be that you would see an MPG increase with this configuration.

2. Make the bunks shorter, put the foot of the bed over the bunks just like #1, but in the extra 2' of space now created at the head of the cab-over, you could now install a full width wardrobe, hopefully with drawers. Since this is a family camper, MOMs would love to have the extra wardrobe space! And clothes drawers for socks and underwear would be a bonus not usually found in truck campers. Skeptics may say that a wardrobe accessed from beyond the bed would be difficult to get to, but I see that most campers have token wardrobe cabinets up there now days (including mine). More space would be welcomed. Plus, shifting more clothing weight up front would help balance the load from the rear to the front of the truck.
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Posted 22 May 2007 - 03:03 PM

Currently, we all have to climb up into the queen cabover beds. This concept would work the same, except that you could build footholds into the bunk faces and you would crawl over the bunk top to the recessed bed. The top would should be firm but padded. The space where a TV cabinet traditionally hovers above the foot of the bed could go full down to the top of that platform and a wardrobe cabinet to the other side wouldn't have the problem of bedding getting into the way. The queen bedding wouldn't slide to the floor at the foot either.

Other options (which would reduce the head-room in the bunks) could be:

1. Make the cab-over section 2 feet shorter and put that part of the bed over the bunks. The cabover would then be shorter and not stick out beyond the windshield. Intuitively it might be that you would see an MPG increase with this configuration.

2. Make the bunks shorter, put the foot of the bed over the bunks just like #1, but in the extra 2' of space now created at the head of the cab-over, you could now install a full width wardrobe, hopefully with drawers. Since this is a family camper, MOMs would love to have the extra wardrobe space! And clothes drawers for socks and underwear would be a bonus not usually found in truck campers. Skeptics may say that a wardrobe accessed from beyond the bed would be difficult to get to, but I see that most campers have token wardrobe cabinets up there now days (including mine). More space would be welcomed. Plus, shifting more clothing weight up front would help balance the load from the rear to the front of the truck.



Got it. Thanks for the more in depth description.
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