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#21 OFFLINE   PigPen

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Posted 22 September 2006 - 11:07 AM

Yeah I noticed he was in Texas when his form came through.

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#22 OFFLINE   Jim Brain

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Posted 22 September 2006 - 01:40 PM

Why?
  • I figured I'd join when I officially become a TC owner. Has not happened yet.
  • Is my $24.00 best spent here or on a yearly subscription to some RV rag. I'm still researching that.
  • What do I get from membership? I'm not trying to be flippant, but a $24.00 of diesel gets me 120 miles or so down the road. I seriously doubt my family will do rallies. Reduced prices, additional warrantee periods, etc. do fit the bill, but I didn't see any of that listed as yet.
Technically, I planned to wait until the TC arrived and we got settled, and then get a membership mainly to "further the cause", at least for a year or two. I didn't figure on getting much (I do like the forum, and maybe that in itself is worth $24.00) However, reduced prices on things I might buy or regularly need would make it an easy sell to the SO.

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Posted 22 September 2006 - 01:50 PM

What do I get from membership? I



You get a couple of bumper stickers and a member card. Rallies are subsidized. We have extended the subsidy to non-members at the discretion of the organizer, but that may change. At the PNW rally last spring, one manufacturer gave away about $1500 worth of stuff to members. At last years show members were entered in a draw for a few sets of fastguns and an A/C. It's possible members might get a free BBQ at this years show if we get a sponsor to do that. We are starting to work on some discounts. We have one or 2. 10% off at 5star (Denver) on supplies. 30% discount at Lordco (like NAPA) in BC. Some campground discounts are starting to filter in. I'm working on NAPA now. After last years show & this years coming up, those should start coming more rapidly. We are bulding acatalogue of members who are willing to help other members by offering a driveway or yard to park in overnight or emergency help or simply local info. Camp in someones driveway one night while on the road, you have your $24 back.All of these things take time and we need support form mebers to make them happen. This forum is a large cost item. We are trying to keep it open, but if we dont' get more support we will have to consider cloing it or most of it to non-members. We have started a new section on maintenance tips from the manufacturers. That section is members only.

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Posted 22 September 2006 - 03:59 PM

I think bumper stickers and membership cards are nice, but I wouldn't consider them a perk of joining a group. I expect some paperwork from a non-profit if I join, and bumper stickers are basically free advertising. I would assume if I asked you for a bumper sticker, you'd cut off the "Member of" portion and give me one, seeing the ad opportunity.

Truly, if rallies are a big thing for RV owners, then a subsidy on them for members sounds like a definite perk. As I inferred the forum topic to be requesting personal information, I noted that we won't be doing rallies (I won't say never, but participate so seldomly that a subsidy isn't a concern).

Before I posted last night, I went to the web site to look at the FAQ. The fastguns and the A/C were mentioned, but the rest of the discounts were not noted. I see those as perks.

And, I think the list of "driveway" offers is a perk, though it also is not listed.

Now, mind you, I'm not trying to belittle the group or the original author. I'm just trying to be truthful.

Based on your followup, I'd say recording the information presented in the FAQ (including the note about the forum needing monetary support) would be a quick way to help. Another option would be a sticky or monthly posting that introduces new members. The posting could remind folks to join or renew, and it keeps the topic in play.

Now, reading the forums for a bit, I'd wager our use of a TC is markedly different from others on here, so please take my comments with the appropriate mount of NaCl. I may not be the target market you're trying to hit.

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Posted 22 September 2006 - 04:31 PM

Paul, I think NATCOA should not attempt to "offset" the 24 buck fee associated with joining this club with what we are going to give back in "freebees" to members. It is a complete exercise in futility. and will not temp anyone other than the most frugal to join. Like several others here, I belong to several organizations, some fraternal, some associated with my prior occupation, and some just because I I relate to their cause. At no time did I ever join a club or organization by taking a pen and paper out and see if the fee was going to offset by what I might get back from the club as free items. it just not work like that, not for me, not for most others, I would assume. If folks hang around here, talk to others on the forum, get good solid advice from other members and manufacturers, go to a rally, enjoy friendship, perhaps get pointed in the right direction when buying a camper, truck, or equipment, and still say what are you going to "give" me to join? My reply would be what you see is what you get, which for most is a great deal and well worth the price of admission, then perhaps, we are not the club for you and we wish you well.



Let us not go down the path of trying to figure out what we can give each member that is "worth" 24 dollars, that is simply bad business and will not gain us a quality member base. I will always go for quality over quantity. To me, the real question should be, how can we enhance a member's experience at NATCOA, not what can we give a person that will cause them to join our club.
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Posted 22 September 2006 - 04:42 PM

I agree, but with the support coming from manufacturers, I suspect this may well develop into one organization that ends up giving back more than people put in.

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Posted 22 September 2006 - 04:46 PM

i have to agree with larry i have gained more in friendships and that is worth more than anything
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Posted 22 September 2006 - 04:56 PM

Paul, I think NATCOA should not attempt to "offset" the 24 buck fee associated with joining this club with what we are going to give back in "freebees" to members. It is a complete exercise in futility. and will not temp anyone other than the most frugal to join. Like several others here, I belong to several organizations, some fraternal, some associated with my prior occupation, and some just because I I relate to their cause. At no time did I ever join a club or organization by taking a pen and paper out and see if the fee was going to offset by what I might get back from the club as free items. it just not work like that, not for me, not for most others, I would assume. If folks hang around here, talk to others on the forum, get good solid advice from other members and manufacturers, go to a rally, enjoy friendship, perhaps get pointed in the right direction when buying a camper, truck, or equipment, and still say what are you going to "give" me to join? My reply would be what you see is what you get, which for most is a great deal and well worth the price of admission, then perhaps, we are not the club for you and we wish you well.



Let us not go down the path of trying to figure out what we can give each member that is "worth" 24 dollars, that is simply bad business and will not gain us a quality member base. I will always go for quality over quantity. To me, the real question should be, how can we enhance a member's experience at NATCOA, not what can we give a person that will cause them to join our club.



Well written Fedagent. I totally agree with you. As a member seating here in Alaska I sure can't make all the rallies, see everyone weekly or get to the meetings etc,. But I do get satisfaction in being a member of a pretty good organization, if I say so myself. The advice I have received on from this forum has been excellent with some common sense thrown in and the comradery among it's members is what it's all about.
I do agree with your statement "To me, the real question should be, how can we enhance a member's experience at NATCOA, not what can we give a person that will cause them to join our club."
My two cents. :D
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Posted 22 September 2006 - 05:02 PM

i have to agree with larry i have gained more in friendships and that is worth more than anything





Ditto to that, friendships and meeting people cannot be measured in dollars. Many thanks to Snowriver1 and the gang at Torklift.



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Posted 22 September 2006 - 05:14 PM

Well said Fed Agent well said my friend.
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Posted 22 September 2006 - 05:16 PM

i have to agree with larry i have gained more in friendships and that is worth more than anything

well i agree with both of you but a good way to look at things ......is not what you get but what can you give.....we belong to many and we never expect anything....that way we always have fun.....its like camping leave it better than we found it.....jim

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Posted 22 September 2006 - 05:16 PM

I am not a member, but I will sign up soon. Fed Agent siad it correctly.
I will join because this site is where I find much useful information. If discounts on products are offered then that will be an additional benefit, a plus, not "the" reason for joining. I doubt I will ever do a rally, most likely will not meet any of you, however from what I read about the people on this site I would like too. I will support the group because I want to continue reading everything here, how depressing to click and find out the site is gone. Thanks, Ken

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Posted 22 September 2006 - 05:45 PM

well i agree with both of you but a good way to look at things ......is not what you get but what can you give.....we belong to many and we never expect anything....that way we always have fun.....its like camping leave it better than we found it.....jim



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I believe in your philosofy it is not what you get, but what you can give, In this spirit could you please send back the towels that you took while staying with us in Naramata. And as for leaving it better than you found it. You forgot to flush.


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Posted 22 September 2006 - 06:46 PM

Bob - You must have been a terror in high school....... :D
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Posted 22 September 2006 - 07:10 PM

P.S. Snowriver1 sense of humor alone is worth the $24





I agree whole heartedly, and I've not yet had the pleasure of meeting the man, nor do I have a SR (yet).
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Posted 22 September 2006 - 07:20 PM

I think the philosophy is fine, but if you're trying to draw new TC owners to the group, I think a bit more pragmatism is needed. If you wait for them to come to rallies and get to be good friends before they decide to join, you may wait a while before they do.

When a new TC owner comes online, they'v just spent quite a bit on a TC, or a TC and a truck, they've had to buy happijacs or TLs, and maybe bags and shocks. In short, they've drained quite a bit from their account. Sure, $24.00 is nothin compared to a set of TLs, but they start to get frugal in the short term. You want to make it a slam-dunk to join (join NATCOA and get 10% of TLs or Happijacs). Sure, it's trite and you know they'll sick around for the friends and fun, and they'll hopefully give a lot back to the community, but you have to get them in the door.

Churches do this sort of thing, as do other organizations. They make it easy to come/join/say yes.

I do the same thing with my kids, and I suspect you do/did too. You entice them to try new things when they're apprehensive, by dangling a carrot in front of them. Once they start enjoying themselves, the carrot is not only no longer needed, it's forgotten (by mine anyway)

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Posted 22 September 2006 - 07:29 PM

Jim you dont have to join as you said your here for some imfo and wont be interested in our activities and that is your choice we are all here just haveing fun no need to defend your reasons at all..some will join some will not.. that is the choice of each person in the mean time have some fun and ask away for imfo that is what were here for


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Posted 22 September 2006 - 08:23 PM

Jim said "When a new TC owner comes online, they'v just spent quite a bit on a TC, or a TC and a truck, they've had to buy happijacs or TLs, and maybe bags and shocks. In short, they've drained quite a bit from their account. Sure, $24.00 is nothin compared to a set of TLs, but they start to get frugal in the short term."



Using your scenario, by the time this guy come on line, has spent all of the money on a truck, camper, tie downs and air bags, giving him any amount of a discount is going to be worthless. I don't know about you, but if I just spent money an item, let's say Torklift Fast Guns, and I found out that by joining NATCOA, I could have saved 10-20% or more, I would not be happy after the fact.



While I agree with your carrot on a string approach, for the most part, I still firmly believe that most people, after reading the forums on a product they are thinking about, sending and receiving PM's with helpful, friendly people who own that item, getting feedback form the manufactures in some cases and understanding that due to NATCOA's close ties to the manufactures, better prices and better service are a byproduct, that should be carrot enough.



NATCOA offers friendship, a great forum populated by helpful people, close ties to several camper and equipment manufactures and several dealers, as well as several rallies and one hell of an annual show. I believe that should be enough inducement for most.
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Posted 23 September 2006 - 02:57 AM

As a new T/C er as of last year, I somehow stumbled upon this forum in a quest for help and info. This is the only place I feel as if people honestly care and give there honest opinion. Yes there will always be debators and thats what keeps things from being boring, But the info that I have gotten off this sight has helped me in so many ways. Safety #1. I joined a short time ago not even knowing that I could get discounts etc. Thats news to me and only makes it better.
I joined for the simple reason that at any time for as little as $2.00 a month If I have a problem, question or just want to read and learn. I can come here and get honest opinions from people that want to help. That is worth the $2.00 alone.
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Posted 23 September 2006 - 05:32 AM

Bob - You must have been a terror in high school....... :P

Dave high school ???hell he
's first and foremost still a terror!!!!!! but we all love. HIM..and he is a lot of FUN......... :lol: ....jim

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