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#21 OFFLINE   Tillerman

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Posted 23 February 2012 - 02:24 AM

Your statement may sound a bit harsh or selfish to someone who does not have a stock portfolio or have large investments in energy companies. A sizable increase in fuel prices has a significant impact on a majority of people in North America. If you are living from check to check, hearing how well oil company profit margins and someone's stock portfolio is doing may ring a little hollow.


Yes, that is true. However having a robust stock market that can sustain higher prices means economic growth in the country. That produces more jobs and many of the people that have almost lost everything because they have not managed to pay off debt and planned to do it early will be able to come back, find a job, and get a new start. They may not have big trucks and campers anymore, but they may be able to take their families out more economically and all that is good.

I worked overtime to pay for my two kids fun and still had to give the ex her share too, and took on a huge house with the idea that it would be paid out much earlier than full term. Part way into paying it off, I took out the equity and invested it into a dreadfully sunken stock market. That gamble worked. Meantime, I had an old camry that ran and ran and ran. Things worked out, but we all did without a lot when we were younger and debt was a really dirty word.

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Posted 23 February 2012 - 07:12 AM

Your statement may sound a bit harsh or selfish to someone who does not have a stock portfolio or have large investments in energy companies. A sizable increase in fuel prices has a significant impact on a majority of people in North America. If you are living from check to check, hearing how well oil company profit margins and someone's stock portfolio is doing may ring a little hollow.


AMEN my friend, AMEN. The multi-billion dollar profits are sure as h*** not going into exploration. I am a working man making less than 50K a year, 5.00 is the limit for me. Just getting to and from work is brutal and leaves nothing for toys or camping.

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Posted 23 February 2012 - 08:26 AM

Earlier Joerg wrote:-----
Posted Yesterday, 10:16 AM
@PigPen: Fuel in Germany and France is currently around 8 USD / gal.
Where are you going? If you come by south-western Germany / northern France / Luxembourg, give us a call and we'll serve you coffee or beer ;-)

Our truck runs on LPG which is around half the price here in Germany due to much lower tax. The 4000 EUR conversion of the truck in 2008 has been paid by fuel savings by now.

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Posted 23 February 2012 - 04:13 PM

Earlier Joerg wrote:-----
Posted Yesterday, 10:16 AM
@PigPen: Fuel in Germany and France is currently around 8 USD / gal.
Where are you going? If you come by south-western Germany / northern France / Luxembourg, give us a call and we'll serve you coffee or beer ;-)

Our truck runs on LPG which is around half the price here in Germany due to much lower tax. The 4000 EUR conversion of the truck in 2008 has been paid by fuel savings by now.

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One would think burning "Gas" is a no brainer!
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Dual fueling is remarkably easy for a Gas engine, they've been around for years, however, a Diesel cannot run on Propane or LPG alone, it can be used as a bit of a booster with diesel, but only in small amounts.

Also, the fuel economy takes a dive using propane or LPG because of its lower BTU content.

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Posted 23 February 2012 - 04:14 PM

Yes, that is true. However having a robust stock market that can sustain higher prices means economic growth in the country.


Yes, if said stock market is built on something solid, like production, not another government spending bubble, which I have a feeling is likely what we're riding on right now.

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Posted 24 February 2012 - 05:39 AM

i hope you are wrong I still have a lot in there. its pretty much back to its pre 2008 levels

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Posted 24 February 2012 - 08:32 AM

Gas in Vancouver,BC area currently at $5.25 us gal.
East in the valley $4.80 us gal., less road tax going in the kitty.
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Posted 24 February 2012 - 09:24 AM

Times like this I wish I had a TT not a TC. I'd consider having a large tank installed in the bed & fill it up with cheap mexican diesel. I would probably cover my trip costs.

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Posted 24 February 2012 - 10:42 AM

Paul, you just need to upgrade to some transfer flow tanks, or have a few custom made auxiliaries added to your under carriage.

Another option would be to simply go to a custom made service bed with additional fuel tanks built in.

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Posted 24 February 2012 - 11:32 AM

In 2007 when fuel prices skyrocketed upward, it was the last straw for the world economy and every thing has been in depression since. The same thing will happen again if fuel prices rise into the 4 or 5 dollar range. The OPEC nations and other oil producers are the winners in this game making money like there is no tomorrow. Governments are the winners too. Governments make more money on a barrell of oil through taxation than any other entity in the production chain. Demand on the world market is what drives the cost of oil up and the aquisition of oil in futures to get a control of future expense of that oil by railroads, airlines etc... The primary drivers of increasing demand are the emerging middle classes in India and China amongst other areas. They are gaining a middle class due to outsourcing from the US and other nations to Asian nations not for cheap trade and trade for items you cannot find in your own country as trade was always intended. Trade today is for cheap labor which destroys the wealth of one area while raising the wealth of what was once a depressed area. These people and their new found wealth want to buy their cars and travel too and buy products they couldn't before all of which requires more oil so now we have millions more all wanting the same oil as we do. The person who gets that oil is the person that can pay the most for it. Eventually, everyone in the world to some degree will be balanced out for purchasing power and it won't be cheap to get labor abroad so lots of jobs will come back because it isn't advantageous to import anymore. There is a finite supply of oil. Any disruption to that supply can be devestating to society.
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Posted 24 February 2012 - 01:05 PM

Paul, you just need to upgrade to some transfer flow tanks, or have a few custom made auxiliaries added to your under carriage.

Another option would be to simply go to a custom made service bed with additional fuel tanks built in.


can you say, weight police.

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Posted 24 February 2012 - 02:49 PM

can you say, weight police.


I stopped caring about the weight police long ago :P. Besides, if yer worried about the B.C boys and their portable scales, by the time you reach Canada, most of the fuel in those tanks will have been long since used up.

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Posted 24 February 2012 - 03:28 PM

can you say, weight police.


I saw a guy last year in Utah with an "older", shabby class "A" motorhome. On the roof was an auxiliary gas tank. He had a hose running down the ladder, bungee cord tie off and a cork in the end of the hose. I know it was gas, because he was on the roof filling it a gas station when I saw him. Looked to be a 35 or 50 gallon tank. I am sure a rig like that would meet all the requirements of DOT regulation.
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Posted 24 February 2012 - 05:48 PM

can you say, weight police.


ummmm that would be crossing back INTO the states....with extra "storage" tanks coming across the border???? naaaaa thats not suspicious. i think the weight police would be the least of your worries. :scared0011: :sign0020:

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Posted 24 February 2012 - 06:17 PM

never thought of that. The idea of filling my fresh water tank with tequila has occurred to me.

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Posted 25 February 2012 - 08:35 AM

Some current prices in US dollars per gallon:

Vancouver, Canada 5.34
Del mar, California 4.29
South Africa 5.45
China 3.79
Lagos, Nigeria 2.31
Mexico 2.88
London, UK 8.18
Brazil 7.01
Caracas, Venezuela 0.68

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Posted 25 February 2012 - 09:55 AM

Some current prices in US dollars per gallon:

Vancouver, Canada 5.34
Del mar, California 4.29
South Africa 5.45
China 3.79
Lagos, Nigeria 2.31
Mexico 2.88
London, UK 8.18
Brazil 7.01
Caracas, Venezuela 0.68


Well then, let's all move in with Uncle Hugo!
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Posted 25 February 2012 - 11:48 AM

There are only so many miles one can travel in life, figuratively, and as some of us with grey hair are learning, the meter is ticking faster and faster each year.

If it won't be cheaper in the future than it is this year, then on that basis, you'll NEVER get to go anywhere, ever again!

If the mandatory bills get paid, there's food on the table, and our health is seen to, then we shouldn't avoid fulfilling our dreams because of a few hundred extra dollars worth of fuel. Do it now, and find the fuel money SOMEWHERE in the future to cover what you did today.

Delay you may; but die you must! Don't die full of regrets that you didn't do something, rather than full of great memories of having done so!

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Posted 25 February 2012 - 01:17 PM

There are only so many miles one can travel in life, figuratively, and as some of us with grey hair are learning, the meter is ticking faster and faster each year.

If it won't be cheaper in the future than it is this year, then on that basis, you'll NEVER get to go anywhere, ever again!

If the mandatory bills get paid, there's food on the table, and our health is seen to, then we shouldn't avoid fulfilling our dreams because of a few hundred extra dollars worth of fuel. Do it now, and find the fuel money SOMEWHERE in the future to cover what you did today.

Delay you may; but die you must! Don't die full of regrets that you didn't do something, rather than full of great memories of having done so!

See you at the gas station! (Don't forget your your credit card. You can pay for the extra fuel cost you encurred this summer, over the next 9 months when you aren't camping.)


pretty much my thoughts too....shoulda woulda coulda.

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Posted 25 February 2012 - 02:17 PM

Don't take my 'don't worry about it' post as if I didn't care. It still feels like a stab in the heart when fueling the truck!

Our travel plans this year were actually decided before the price went up. The wife and I realized that there were a lot of State Parks in our state that we had never visited. Therefore, when she scheduled her vacation, she did it to create a bunch of long weekends (Friday and Monday off....or Thursday and Friday off). We are going to try to visit every one of them this year. That may end up taking more fuel than a couple of long trips, but it will be spread out.

A tank here, and a tank there. Shorter trips, and stay longer when you make one.





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