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#1 OFFLINE   Tillerman

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Posted 13 September 2010 - 08:47 AM

Hi everyone,

Some may remember me as Artum Snowbird, but now I till (steer) a dragonboat for serious fun, so I will become Tillerman. Seems we are about a week away from owning a new to us camper, and I think I will be needing some Vision 81 wheels and tires. We tried our hand at owning a Class C, but miss the back roads and the manuverability of the truck.

I have been considering Michelins, and Toyos as possibilities for my 2000 F350 7.3 SRW SC 4 by 4.

Putting 245 tires onto the truck will decrease the RPM by about 7% according to the revolutions per mile charts compared to the 265 16's on there now. Will that cause any problems?

Some have posted about the smell from Toyos. Not sure whether that is present in the 19.5 tires or not... any comments? Michelins are supposed to be a little harder, but will go a lot further than others... if I actually put the miles on to wear them out. Are they worth the extra $$$.

I'll be buying tires locally here on Vancouver Island because of the warranty and free rotations offered, so getting wheels, caps, and nuts from the US seems to be the only option.

Also, I have read a post about needing more braking because the tires and wheels are heavier than the 16's. Not sure whether I believe that or not... does the rotating weight have any bearing on the braking, or is it just the overall mass of the vehicle and camper attempting to stop?

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Posted 13 September 2010 - 09:37 AM

welcome back Mike (I still have my 'C'). On my 2500HD I put the Visions and 225 Hankook tires and did notice a difference in braking especially at speed (+50) it took what I perceived as more pressure. I did have to do a panic stop once and the ABS seemed to work fine. The 225s gave me 62mph spedometer at 65mph GPS. I noticed no difference in mpg. The biggest best difference was in the handling. Good luck with your new unit!

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Posted 13 September 2010 - 09:47 AM

Hi Mike Welcome back to the TC world. I have the 245/70R 19.5 Toyo Tires on my rig 2000 F250 HD and yes they decrease the RPMS by about what you stated. I have not noticed any difference in performance but I have the 6 speed manual Transmission also. As far as stopping with out the camper I didn't notice any thing different and like you said with the camper you just have more weight. The speedometer will not be the same as with 16 inch tires. I use to have a speed chart that showed the difference but I can't find it now. I think I got it off of the Rickson site. Again Mike & Carol looking forward to hearing the progress on your new camper.
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Posted 13 September 2010 - 11:01 AM

My only word of caution is to make sure you have the room to use chains if that is a necessity in your area. I had Michelin 225's and could still use my chains, but now that I have 245's there's no room on the front tires. In fact, even after trimming the air dam, my tires still rub the rear side of the front wheel well when I turn sharply.

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Posted 13 September 2010 - 04:54 PM

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Ask Lancelot how he likes his new Goodyears, I saw them in the spring and with the tread pattern they have it may be another choice for you if you are looking for traction.

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Posted 14 September 2010 - 04:14 AM

I have a 03 dodge 3500 srw I put the 19.5 michlien xde 265s on my truck with the rickson wheels needed a 2 inch spacer kit on the front.Didnt notice any stopping problems without camper on My gps says im 5mph faster than what speeddometer reads.I love the tread pattern on the michleins they sing a little down the road doesnt bother me at all.The ups pkg car truck I drive have 245 19.5 goodyear rsd on them they seem to wear good havent used them in the snow yet.Welcome back

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Posted 14 September 2010 - 06:02 PM

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Ask Lancelot how he likes his new Goodyears, I saw them in the spring and with the tread pattern they have it may be another choice for you if you are looking for traction.

The tires are Bridgestone M724's , not Goodyear. The evening I was showing Farmer was the friday evening in the Walmart parking lot as many TCs were arriving to get ready for our
wonderful Spring Caravan everybody was welcoming each other , I can see why the mix up in tire brands . At that time what tire anybody was using was second to greeting old and new friends .Brian

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Posted 19 September 2010 - 07:30 PM

The tires are Bridgestone M724's , not Goodyear. The evening I was showing Farmer was the friday evening in the Walmart parking lot as many TCs were arriving to get ready for our
wonderful Spring Caravan everybody was welcoming each other , I can see why the mix up in tire brands . At that time what tire anybody was using was second to greeting old and new friends .Brian



I roll on the Bridgestones also and I am pleased with the performance. Dont have any prior experience to compare but they handled some heavy red mud fairly well (was it the tires or the jockey?). Yes, they do sing a tune down the highway, I tell my wife its a safety whine.
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Posted 23 September 2010 - 11:59 AM

I have the Toyo M608Z's - took quite some time to break them in with the aggressive tread pattern. If I had it to do over, I wouldn't pursue a M&S type tread, just a good All Season type. I've lost nearly 2-3 mpg with these tires and almost a few strokes as these tires new tend to wander all over....

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Posted 23 September 2010 - 01:05 PM

Good point HarleyCB yes mine did wander all over also for the first 1000 plus miles now all seem to be ok have the same tires as you have I think a all season like you said is the way to go..
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Posted 23 September 2010 - 01:50 PM

It's certainly been a great discussion. I am not sure yet which way to go. Looking at the Rickson website, there are Firestone FD690+ and Goodyear G647RSS.

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Both of those ones have a more moderate tread pattern and we are not one's to aggressively need 4 by 4 or deep lugs here.

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Posted 23 September 2010 - 07:11 PM

I have the Toyo M608Z's - took quite some time to break them in with the aggressive tread pattern. If I had it to do over, I wouldn't pursue a M&S type tread, just a good All Season type. I've lost nearly 2-3 mpg with these tires and almost a few strokes as these tires new tend to wander all over....


I installed Toyo 19.5's with the highway tread. They wander so bad that they were dangerous to drive. After breaking them in for about 10000 miles the dealer took them back and installed the current tires that I have now. The of wandering went away immediately. I have driven them about 30000 miles and the tires have about 60% of the tread left. I could not believe the difference in the drivability between these two brands of tires. YMMV, Jim

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Posted 23 September 2010 - 07:24 PM

Thanks Jim,

Thats what I was hoping to hear. I have Michelins on the truck now and they are amazing. Will be getting them again I reckon unless anyone else pops in with a better recomendation.

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Posted 01 October 2010 - 06:25 AM

Been thinking of changing over from the Toyo's and saw these Bridgestones on Ricksons - Anyone have experience with these?

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Posted 01 October 2010 - 06:25 AM

Been thinking of changing over from the Toyo's and saw these Bridgestones on Ricksons - Anyone have experience with these?

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Posted 01 October 2010 - 10:54 AM

If the Michelins are amazing to you, why step down to something others seem to complain about from time to time. Such as..smell, noise, wandering, tread wear, etc. You've proven to yourself that you are satisfied with the tire against all others are compared.

You seldom hear people say...My Michelins are as good as the old May-Pops I used to have. It's usually the other way around.

I just went BACK from 19.5's to 17 Michelins. I had Toyos on them. Now, the 17's ride like I'm on glass. The steering wheel has practically no road feedback when on a good smooth road.

To me it was a mistake trying the 19.5's, but ONE REASON I CHANGED back might be odd to some people. I practiced changing a flat and discovered it was too hard for me to do.

They were so heavy, (something like 110 pounds each) I found they have to be rolled into place and wiggled onto the studs. You don't pick one of these tires up and stick it on the lugs. And, if you aren't careful, they will man-handle you and knock you down when rolling them around. Getting the spare in and out from under the truck was a real ordeal. Also the spare BARELY fit in the opening under the truck bed. It had to be put in EXACTLY aligned and practically took two people. One aligning, and one cranking it up with the cable retainer.

I told my wife..."I can just see myself trying to change one of these out on some soft, muddy, dirt road at a hundred degrees in the middle of nowhere with no cellphone coverage to call a service." It just wasn't worth the mental worry about doing that.

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Posted 01 October 2010 - 02:50 PM

Been thinking of changing over from the Toyo's and saw these Bridgestones on Ricksons - Anyone have experience with these?

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The Bridgestones are what I run. First set of 19.5 tires so I dont have any comparison details. They had a short breakin period approx 4-5k where I experienced some wandering. Nothing to serious. Drove into some serious mud and was expecting to be stuck the whole time. But a combination of weight, tires and the jockey got us through. The tires sing down the highway, a bit louder on some surfaces than others. The 6.0 drowns most sounds out anyway.
I stayed off the snow and ice last year, but will be carefully trying out the winter driving this season. Probably with a set of snow chains handy. Hope this helps!
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Posted 01 October 2010 - 03:50 PM

If the Michelins are amazing to you, why step down to something others seem to complain about from time to time. Such as..smell, noise, wandering, tread wear, etc. You've proven to yourself that you are satisfied with the tire against all others are compared.

You seldom hear people say...My Michelins are as good as the old May-Pops I used to have. It's usually the other way around.

I just went BACK from 19.5's to 17 Michelins. I had Toyos on them. Now, the 17's ride like I'm on glass. The steering wheel has practically no road feedback when on a good smooth road.

To me it was a mistake trying the 19.5's, but ONE REASON I CHANGED back might be odd to some people. I practiced changing a flat and discovered it was too hard for me to do.

They were so heavy, (something like 110 pounds each) I found they have to be rolled into place and wiggled onto the studs. You don't pick one of these tires up and stick it on the lugs. And, if you aren't careful, they will man-handle you and knock you down when rolling them around. Getting the spare in and out from under the truck was a real ordeal. Also the spare BARELY fit in the opening under the truck bed. It had to be put in EXACTLY aligned and practically took two people. One aligning, and one cranking it up with the cable retainer.

I told my wife..."I can just see myself trying to change one of these out on some soft, muddy, dirt road at a hundred degrees in the middle of nowhere with no cellphone coverage to call a service." It just wasn't worth the mental worry about doing that.

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Aye Dougie, but we are talking two different beasts here. The 16 inch LTX Michelins are quite legendary and wear well on the truck, but it's carrying capacity we need. The 19.5's give us that safety margin.

Is smooth as glass what you want? Not sure whether you like that or not?

My next question might be... "Has anyone ever had to change a 19.5 tire because of a flat?" You have certainly raised a good solid, heavy point! I have not changed a flat tire in about 15 years, cripes, maybe 20 years, maybe just lucky.

The siping in the Michelins, and the tread pattern may cause the tires to act squirrely, or maybe not. Someone told me the Michelins may give a bit harsher ride than the Toyo's, but will likely last longer.

It's like campers. Just because we are happy with what we have, we still love to look and consider other ones.

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Posted 02 October 2010 - 05:47 PM

but it's carrying capacity we need. The 19.5's give us that safety margin. No argument there. I've often thought that's how trucks SHOULD come from the factory.

"Has anyone ever had to change a 19.5 tire because of a flat?" I must be lucky too because I haven't had any flats in ...forever. And, I too thought.."These 19.5's will never get a flat". They are thick and tough. I had a dually...and therefore had six tires to deal with. The back ones were a royal pain to deal with. Getting that first tire off was ok. The inner tire was difficult. Nevertheless, I'm not bad mouthing the tires/wheels. I just chose to not keep them for (AMONG OTHER REASONS) that one I cited about changing the flat.



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Posted 02 October 2010 - 06:45 PM

Aye Dougie, but we are talking two different beasts here. The 16 inch LTX Michelins are quite legendary and wear well on the truck, but it's carrying capacity we need. The 19.5's give us that safety margin.

Is smooth as glass what you want? Not sure whether you like that or not?

My next question might be... "Has anyone ever had to change a 19.5 tire because of a flat?" You have certainly raised a good solid, heavy point! I have not changed a flat tire in about 15 years, cripes, maybe 20 years, maybe just lucky.

The siping in the Michelins, and the tread pattern may cause the tires to act squirrely, or maybe not. Someone told me the Michelins may give a bit harsher ride than the Toyo's, but will likely last longer.

It's like campers. Just because we are happy with what we have, we still love to look and consider other ones.

Mike


Mike,
I have no experience with the 19.5 tire size, but I can tell you the Michelins are the way to go with everything we have changed them to. Our 2000' F350 was an amazing difference in Alberta winters from the OEM General tires to the Michelins. Nothing wrong with the OEM's (we got 100,000 trouble free kms out of them). They (the Michlelins) handle amazing in the snow, not that it's a worry for you though...LOL
Also, put the Michelin Hydro Edge on my trike and OMG what a difference from the stickin Cooper tires! They grip in the rain and I mean really grip.
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It still had a 95 (whatever charging thingy left on the battery).
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