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#61 OFFLINE   Mooney

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Posted 01 January 2009 - 05:52 PM

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The snowbird I had was a 30k furnace and prior to changing the tstat to an electronic one with a small temp differential the temp swings were huge from "man it's cold .....to dam it's hot and when is that thing going to shut off". After your unit is up to say 70f do you find that the furnace runs on low continuosly or does it cycle on and off. Are the cycle more frequent and longer in duration when on low? Is the high /low setting a manual switch or is it automatic?

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Good question Dan, it's so quiet I just don't really hear it at night so I couldn't tell how much it really cycled. What I do know . . . now that the Link is installed . . . the overnight power consumption in freezing temps, with a triple slide camper is very low. My propane usage over the course of a few days is also down . . . dramaticly. However Its hard to give the variable speed furnace all the credit since I run the Wave heater by day and its very efficient as none of the heat is vented outside. Also run the Honda generator with gasoline by day, propane when using in the evening.

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Posted 01 January 2009 - 05:55 PM

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And now how did you get that furnace when I talked to them he said they put only the 20,000 btu in there triple slide. I know what you mean about the low speed keeping an even temp. How much easier was the Host to heat compared to the Lance I think you have a thicker ceiling and walls .


I would have to say they are about even. Host has much bigger and more windows, but uses dual pane instead of the storm window attachements I had in the Lance. With the Triple Slides I also have more volume . . . however I still don't notice a big difference.
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Posted 02 January 2009 - 07:20 AM

Mooney do you notice if your furnace is quietier on low speed in your Host compared to the Lance we get a strange noise on low and someone told me it,s from the furnace standing up. Now we had Lance change the blower motor at the factory last year but that did nothing so right off they had the guy from the company come up and he changed the furnace completely again no change and they agree its a strange noise. Now right beside us was a 07 1181 and its very quiet only hear air moving.

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Posted 02 January 2009 - 09:50 PM

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Mooney do you notice if your furnace is quietier on low speed in your Host compared to the Lance we get a strange noise on low and someone told me it,s from the furnace standing up. Now we had Lance change the blower motor at the factory last year but that did nothing so right off they had the guy from the company come up and he changed the furnace completely again no change and they agree its a strange noise. Now right beside us was a 07 1181 and its very quiet only hear air moving.


Both the Lance 1181 and the Host are very quiet in low speed, really have not noticed a difference.
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Posted 05 January 2009 - 01:27 PM

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Both the Lance 1181 and the Host are very quiet in low speed, really have not noticed a difference.


I think somehow my 2005 1191 ended up without the dual speed, and I am bummed about that. I thought it was standard. I wonder how much it would cost to swap them out?

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Posted 05 January 2009 - 06:44 PM

I thought 2005 was the year they started putting them in it came with the all weather package.

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Posted 05 January 2009 - 10:37 PM

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I think somehow my 2005 1191 ended up without the dual speed, and I am bummed about that. I thought it was standard. I wonder how much it would cost to swap them out?



When doing research on these two speed Atwood furnaces, I saw prices form around 500 to over 600 dollars. YMMV, Jim

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Posted 06 January 2009 - 10:15 AM

Just my 0,0001 cts ! I think that US and Canadian manufacturers must see on this link (in English) http://www.alde.se/m...=...id=8&menu=1
and see this European (German) camper which have this heating system (water included !) http://www.articacam...b/index_gb.html
I use a Sweden camper (http://www.nordstar.de/index.htm in German) with this heater it was very comfortable with minus 25░ C, in Alpes mountains
I do not understand why the luxurious camper as Lance, Northern lite, North Star and other do not use an equivalent system ! This system heat your camper everywhere, around the cabover, in the bathroom, around the dinette, the pipe heat the fresh and used tank etc... with this system you do not have moisture or humidity with minus 25░C or more ! And it is very very quite, no noisy ...! more, the consumption in gas is less than your standard heater (as I read on many website) for more performance ! Just one default he is more slow to heat when start .


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Posted 06 January 2009 - 10:27 AM

Those Arctica's look interesting.

They need to post English specification equivalents. I am not metrically inclined and it is tough to get an idea of weights, capacities, etc.

(I do not care for the lime- puke green interior colours.)
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Posted 06 January 2009 - 01:24 PM

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When doing research on these two speed Atwood furnaces, I saw prices form around 500 to over 600 dollars. YMMV, Jim


Thanks. And for the record, I can't seem to keep track of my own toys...the camper is an 06, my truck is 05. I'm not even exactly sure of what the cold weather package is...but as poor as my Lance is in the cold, maybe I don't even have that.
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Posted 06 January 2009 - 04:11 PM

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Thanks. And for the record, I can't seem to keep track of my own toys...the camper is an 06, my truck is 05. I'm not even exactly sure of what the cold weather package is...but as poor as my Lance is in the cold, maybe I don't even have that.


Having owned two Lance campers with the cold weather packages, and now my SR all weather camper, I would not like to live in any one of them at temperatures below 25 F. The cold just radiates from every side , top and bottom. You just cannot stay comfortable unless you put on your outdoor cloths. The SR has the thermostat in the middle of the camper on an inside wall, and in cold weather the temperature in the rear of the camper is usually 5 degrees colder than the area around the thermostat. There seems to be a constant cold air draft coming from the cab over seeping area. It helps some if you close the curtain to the cab over area. This will cause the temperature in the cab over area to drop 8 degrees below the thermostat setting. You cannot expect much more from these units with 1" thick walls. YMMV. Jim

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Posted 06 January 2009 - 04:54 PM

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Thanks. And for the record, I can't seem to keep track of my own toys...the camper is an 06, my truck is 05. I'm not even exactly sure of what the cold weather package is...but as poor as my Lance is in the cold, maybe I don't even have that.



Can you post a picture of your thermostat?

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Posted 06 January 2009 - 05:18 PM

We find the best thing is to go and stay were its not nasty cold here in AZ the nites get cold but not to the point were the furnace or mostly a spaceheat on low keeps it comfortable. Also living with a penquin for a wife were not allowed much heat so she shuts the heat completely off at nite and in the morning 65 degrees from the furnace is it for her. I hope I never have to go home in the winter because I know from past experience that even Citations are cold and need lots of furnace, there not house and know one should expect anything great from even the best.

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Posted 06 January 2009 - 09:06 PM

Gary, my wife seems to be a lizzard as opposed to a penguin! Mooney, I will post a picture....I'm working on some paperwork and will try to sneak outside and snag one.

I should recognize that most campers are not necessarily used the way I use mine....I got spoiled a bit with the "plug and play" little S&S we had but I am confident I'll be able to make the Lance work just fine in the cold weather. The walls really weren't much different in the S&S than the Lance....but the Lance is a whole lot bigger, slide etc. When people ask me what I'm doing this weekend and I say camping, they look at me like I'm from mars. They say "isn't it cold to camp" and I say "that's what a thermostat is for!" In spite of my current issues, I WILL make this camper work for us, in very cold weather...I am just working on figuring out the best way to do it. Mooney took an awesome route and planned it all out ahead of time and worked with Host to make it the way he wanted it from scratch. Looks to me like his whole family is snug as a bug in a rug and there isn't a reason anyones camper can't be be brought up to snuff in similar fashion. I am planning on working with the Lance guys around here and/or CA and taking the approach of "I have the camper, now I will make it work better for my application" and I have no regrets about going this way.

In this afternoons discussion with the guys at the local Lance dealer, I have learned a bit more about what they do for customizations, and will likely work with them on it....maybe not all at once, but step by step. I truly wish I had more time to do it all myself, but my time is also valuable and I'd rather be camping in my Lance, then working on it. Plus I have no heated garage and I live at 8400' in the mountains. Right now it is about 15-20 degrees out, and gusts of 30MPH or so. It was the same last night when I was out there setting up thermometers.

Mooney, after discussing options with the dealer, I learned about the biggest issue for converting after the fact to the dual stage furnace, and your question illustrates your knowledge of it.....If the wiring was run with the extra leads to the thermostat, it is an easy change. If not, pulling the wire is a pain for them. If I have the lesser wire, I will put off the furnace change until I do the much more serious electrical work I plan. Some of those plans mimic yours (as far as SAT internet, multiple cables for HD/DVR wires from my portable dish, batteries etc. If ruinning cable ends up being a big obstacle, I'd rather install conduit through the cabinets and that sort of thing and have ready access and ease of installation for this stuff. At that time, perhaps upgraded thermostat wires will go into the mix. Wouldn't you need to see the cable going to the thermostat, or is a picture of the thermostat enough for you?

Gary, I guess I'd agree that no camper is ideal for brutal cold, and that relative to what can be done via customization, none probably stand out THAT much over the others. I guess the original topic here was relating to non customized/standard "from the factory" campers, and there is relevance here and probably some that stand out above the others. But I am thinking more and more that to truly be prepared to live in a camper in the brutal cold (sub-zero or at least single digits) then SOME amount of customization is going to be required. Perhaps a good topic or question would be "what camper is the easiest to modify to work great in cold weather" though I'm not sure we'd be able to answer it that well anyway.....I think ANY of them can probably be made to work well.

I really do love my camper...I just have to get the kinks worked out and I hope to work with Lance to make that happen as in the end that is probably the best way to get what I want out of my camper.
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Posted 07 January 2009 - 09:52 AM

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Gary, my wife seems to be a lizzard as opposed to a penguin! Mooney, I will post a picture....I'm working on some paperwork and will try to sneak outside and snag one.

I should recognize that most campers are not necessarily used the way I use mine....I got spoiled a bit with the "plug and play" little S&S we had but I am confident I'll be able to make the Lance work just fine in the cold weather. The walls really weren't much different in the S&S than the Lance....but the Lance is a whole lot bigger, slide etc. When people ask me what I'm doing this weekend and I say camping, they look at me like I'm from mars. They say "isn't it cold to camp" and I say "that's what a thermostat is for!" In spite of my current issues, I WILL make this camper work for us, in very cold weather...I am just working on figuring out the best way to do it. Mooney took an awesome route and planned it all out ahead of time and worked with Host to make it the way he wanted it from scratch. Looks to me like his whole family is snug as a bug in a rug and there isn't a reason anyones camper can't be be brought up to snuff in similar fashion. I am planning on working with the Lance guys around here and/or CA and taking the approach of "I have the camper, now I will make it work better for my application" and I have no regrets about going this way.

In this afternoons discussion with the guys at the local Lance dealer, I have learned a bit more about what they do for customizations, and will likely work with them on it....maybe not all at once, but step by step. I truly wish I had more time to do it all myself, but my time is also valuable and I'd rather be camping in my Lance, then working on it. Plus I have no heated garage and I live at 8400' in the mountains. Right now it is about 15-20 degrees out, and gusts of 30MPH or so. It was the same last night when I was out there setting up thermometers.

Mooney, after discussing options with the dealer, I learned about the biggest issue for converting after the fact to the dual stage furnace, and your question illustrates your knowledge of it.....If the wiring was run with the extra leads to the thermostat, it is an easy change. If not, pulling the wire is a pain for them. If I have the lesser wire, I will put off the furnace change until I do the much more serious electrical work I plan. Some of those plans mimic yours (as far as SAT internet, multiple cables for HD/DVR wires from my portable dish, batteries etc. If ruinning cable ends up being a big obstacle, I'd rather install conduit through the cabinets and that sort of thing and have ready access and ease of installation for this stuff. At that time, perhaps upgraded thermostat wires will go into the mix. Wouldn't you need to see the cable going to the thermostat, or is a picture of the thermostat enough for you?

Gary, I guess I'd agree that no camper is ideal for brutal cold, and that relative to what can be done via customization, none probably stand out THAT much over the others. I guess the original topic here was relating to non customized/standard "from the factory" campers, and there is relevance here and probably some that stand out above the others. But I am thinking more and more that to truly be prepared to live in a camper in the brutal cold (sub-zero or at least single digits) then SOME amount of customization is going to be required. Perhaps a good topic or question would be "what camper is the easiest to modify to work great in cold weather" though I'm not sure we'd be able to answer it that well anyway.....I think ANY of them can probably be made to work well.

I really do love my camper...I just have to get the kinks worked out and I hope to work with Lance to make that happen as in the end that is probably the best way to get what I want out of my camper.




Here is a picture of the Atwood digital thermostat that comes standard with variable speed furnace:



Take a look at the furnace on the 1181, from the exterior it looks exactly like yours:


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Posted 07 January 2009 - 10:21 AM

I took the picture, but haven't copied it to my PC, but no need to....it is exactly like yours. Other than the fact the slider seems to be a bit 'depressed' into it's slot (like someone mashed it in a little) it works great. Glad to know it is there and perhaps I can change out the furnace one fine day.

The external locations of all the appliances are a bit different on the 1191 (HWH is next to the door, then the furnace, then the propane storage, then the fridge - going rear to front)
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Posted 07 January 2009 - 11:39 AM

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I took the picture, but haven't copied it to my PC, but no need to....it is exactly like yours. Other than the fact the slider seems to be a bit 'depressed' into it's slot (like someone mashed it in a little) it works great. Glad to know it is there and perhaps I can change out the furnace one fine day.

The external locations of all the appliances are a bit different on the 1191 (HWH is next to the door, then the furnace, then the propane storage, then the fridge - going rear to front)


That thermostat comes with the variable system, sounds like you already have the correct furnace.


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Posted 07 January 2009 - 11:42 AM

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That thermostat comes with the variable system, sounds like you already have the correct furnace.


OK, now I'm confused...I guess I'll have to pay attention to it more or get a closer look at it; I assumed this camper had it (as the thing was loaded) but to my knowledge, it always sounds the same volume; though it is certainly quieter than the one in my S&S was.

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Posted 07 January 2009 - 12:29 PM

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OK, now I'm confused...I guess I'll have to pay attention to it more or get a closer look at it; I assumed this camper had it (as the thing was loaded) but to my knowledge, it always sounds the same volume; though it is certainly quieter than the one in my S&S was.


Get out the manual on the thermostat. Put the slider switch in "heat" mode, press the "m" and check your settings. You may be locked in "high" fan mode. You can change all kinds of settings, you can lock out low, high, change set points and do the same for you air. It's full of features, sounds like you might be set up for "high" only.


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Posted 07 January 2009 - 12:57 PM

QUOTE (Mooney @ Jan 4 2009, 12:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Get out the manual on the thermostat. Put the slider switch in "heat" mode, press the "m" and check your settings. You may be locked in "high" fan mode. You can change all kinds of settings, you can lock out low, high, change set points and do the same for you air. It's full of features, sounds like you might be set up for "high" only.


Nice, thanks Mooney. Like having a corvette but not knowing it has more than one gear. "and I can't get my car out of...second gear, hey!"
2006 Lance 1191 - loaded, on 2005 Chevy Kodiak/4500 4WD. Average GVW 18,250 pounds not counting trailer.




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